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babe this rocks and I’m so glad you wrote it— I didn’t finish yet but ran here because i just remembered that years ago when chloe zhao nomadland won for best picture I wrote in my notes app: is this even a win for asians bc her identity(whatever that is) is incidental to the movie…she won via a film that could not be more legible/palatable to the white votership of the academy. striving for that legibility is so lame lmao.

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"I’ve noticed Asian American musicians are almost exclusively doing some laid-back-indie-bedroom-R&B-soul-alternative thing."

it's interesting because at first this was considered pretty subversive. Asian representation in Pitchfork as a form of empowerment-kind of thing. I think being an Asian-American in a white dominated media space was the most an Asian-American artist could really aspire to in the 2010s. the approval of a different flavor of white person, i guess. I think the attainment of cultural capital has been considered "the final frontier" for Asian-Americans. Especially given that kpop is the most popular form of music created by people of Asian descent, I imagine that there was this desire to prove themselves as "deep" and "legitimate" and "anti pop." Rina Sawayama doesn't really seem to have that baggage; she's well-versed in pop tropes and uses that to her advantage.

I'd say at the very least, Mitski's quite experimental in her form and the whole "white sad girl" scene she got lumped in with is was reductive. She is no gracie abrams lol. I didn't consider her music to be the kind that fetishized its own melancholy. But there definitely is something quite restrained and sparse about her songwriting style if you compare her with the white guys of 2010s indie rock (considering the verbosity and wordplay of arctic monkeys or vampire weekend). oof, is this a "high context" vs "low context" culture thing lol? [also maybe a gendered issue, because i notice a similar sparseness with phoebe bridgers]

anyway, lots to chew on, as always! <3

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